Hi Rich, I completely agree. When I first looked at the AZ site, I was overwhelmed with options (plants, lighting, ferts, etc.). I had decided that I wanted a lush green jungle with a few flashes of color (fish) Vs my 40 year normal of lots of fish and a token plant or two. I joined AGA, became enthralled with the pictures of the entries in the various contests, subscribed to AFM when Karen was writing for them (Sunken Gardens) and then decided to call AZ Gardens. Following their online advice, I called during their daytime, non busy, hours, and spoke with Kevin (as I recall). He took the time to "interview me" as to what I had, what "look" I wanted, and made some suggestions. I now have that jungle look. I would always recommend that folks (newbies) know their lighting, water quality, and substrates, and especially ... have a plan, before calling any supplier. As a moderator on an aquarium site, nothing drives me nutz faster than someone who posts a question... "I just bought a 125 gallon tank, what should I do with it?" I simply cannot comprehend that kind of an investment without at least a notion about what they want to do! Ah well, off the soap box, and back to trimming... When I started, I'd no idea how much work a planted tank could be! They are indeed a living thing that must be constantly cared for to maintain a specific "look." Frank _______________________________________________ AGA-Member mailing list AGA-Member@thekrib.com http://lists.thekrib.com/mailman/listinfo/aga-member