Re: Which issue? (fwd)

[Neil Frank <nfrank@mindspring.com>]

I have always been in support of the PAM idea. As already stated, we need
to clearly define the AGA pages of the magazine. If there is a need for
other member contributions - beginner articles; how-to; shared experiences
- these can go up on the web. Thus, no need for a printed TAG.  
If the SC so desires, I would be willing to have an informal discussion
with Gomberg... before we have a formal/official discussion with him. I
think he will still be interested but not to the same extent as last year.

If we decide as an SC to replace TAG with PAM, then the question is: do we
have a discussion with the MC or just announce the decision - first to
Mary... then the other MC - both as a courtesy - and then thru the mailing
list to the internet members and then thru a snail mailing to all members
(perhaps as part of the next TAG). I opt for the SC decision and
announcements. If this is done, we may have to find another lawyer to
finish the bilaws. I suggest that we do this anyway.
--Neil

At 01:59 PM 07/29/2001 -0400, you wrote:
>This thought has occured to me at more than one instance in the past two
>years, and I think the idea is worth considering. The two magazines do serve
>pretty much the same audience, and I am not sure that there is really a need
>for two magazines in that space. Dave, for all his other qualities has,
>IMHO, put out a very good magazine. If we are interested in pursuing this we
>need to be very clear amongst ourselves what we would want in terms of AGA
>pages within the magazine, the contest, etc.
>So -- my two cents worth for what it's worth.
>David
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Erik Olson" <erik@thekrib.com>
>To: <aga-sc@thekrib.com>
>Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2001 7:30 PM
>Subject: Which issue? (fwd)
>
>
>> I thought I already forwarded this to the SC last week, but since I got
>> no replies, perhaps I should ask again.  Are we still going to wait
>> another month for the "mailing problem" to be sorted out before replying
>> to Dave? (See message at the bottom of my note here)
>>
>> On another note, I have an idea for the TAG problem.  Just to think about.
>> You're all going to laugh at me, but I wonder if we should reconsider
>> using PAM as the AGA's magazine.
>>
>> Back nearly 2 years when we rejected the idea, some of the reasons (much
>> of which emminated from me) included "We should give Mary a chance", "What
>> exactly IS the AGA without TAG anyway?", "TAG and PAM have different
>> focus", and the ubiquotous "Dave's hard to deal with" & "he doesn't have
>> the AGA's interest at heart".
>>
>> OK, so in the intervening time what has happened?  We HAVE given Mary a
>> chance, and IMO she's blown it several times over.  We've started to find
>> ways in which to branch out the AGA from TAG, we've seen that TAG and PAM
>> do indeed have very similar focus (and in fact have had scuffles over the
>> same article appearing in both). Mary's shown herself to be an even worse
>> person to deal with than Dave, and Dave has (in Karen's words) bent over
>> backwards to help the AGA as part of the hobby in several occasions.
>>
>> (This shouldn't necessarily enter into any discussion from the AGA side,
>> but over at PAM, Dave is having at least some trouble with subscriber
>> base.)
>>
>> OK, what are the remaining downsides?  To me, the remaining one is having
>> a certain degree of say in the non-article material, i.e. the "AGA Biz"
>> section.  I would suggest the AGA need at least one 2 or 4-page spread per
>> issue to cover news and such, but occasionally might need more (for
>> instance, special inserts for the aquascaping contest, or a spread for the
>> results).  It would still be tough dealing with Dave on a regular basis.
>> I know Dorothy and Merrill both have a hard time with this.
>>
>>   - Erik
>>
>> --
>> Erik Olson
>> erik at thekrib dot com
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 18:33:45 -0700
>> From: Dave Gomberg <gomberg@wcf.com>
>> To: Erik Olson <erik@thekrib.com>
>> Subject: Which issue?
>>
>> Decision time is coming up for the quantity of PAM 7 with Booth's discus
>> tanks article to print.   We either ship PAM 7 to AGA members or we
>> don't.  If we don't I will order a smaller number, if we do, I will order
>a
>> larger number.   I need to know which, and soon.  Wanna ask the board if
>> they just want to do it?   Or wait it out?  I can use PAM 8 but I don't
>> think it will be as pretty as PAM 7.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Dave Gomberg, San Francisco       gomberg at wcf dot com
>> NEW Planted Aquaria Magazine:        http://www.wcf.com/pam
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