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Re: PAM "adoption"
I think Ireplied this alreadyabove, but I think that all we should offer is
to give AGA memberships (1 yr) to anyone on his list who is not already an
AGA member, in exchange for a number, say 4, of back issues of PAM for each
membership we give out. If Dave also wants us to do something for PAM
subscribers who are already AGA members we might offer to extend their AGA
memberships for a year for ,say, 6 back issues of PAM.
Although I think Dave is a creep for soliciting $65 from folks when he knows
he is going under, I think we can help him out by making his subscribers a
little happier with an AGA membership than they would be just with back
issues of PAM.
Bottom line is that the only thing he has that is worth anything to AGA is
his list and the back issues at a cheap price.
David
----- Original Message -----
From: "Erik Olson" <erik@thekrib.com>
To: <aga-sc@thekrib.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 11:30 PM
Subject: Re: PAM "adoption"
> David, do you also think we should also pass on any deals for trading back
> issues of PAM for AGA memberships? (Yes, maybe, no, emphatic no under no
> circumstances?) I just want to get an idea of where the entire board
> stands on this. Neil too! So far Karen sounds lukewarm, like maybe if it
> was a better deal? I'm undecided: the optimistic part says we could make
> it work. The pessimistic side says avoid. So I really am looking for
> input from everyone else. Thanks.
>
> - Erik
>
> On Wed, 14 Nov 2001, David VillaSunscape wrote:
>
> > I thought we had agreed Saturdaynight thatwe would not pick up PAM. I
agree
> > that we should distance ourselves from PAM as muchas posssible.
> > As I promised Sunday after getting the offers from Amano, I will put
> > together a proposal for TAg and Amano. I will run this by the SC and
Merrill
> > and Mike Hellweg -- when we have agreed to what we want I will send it
on to
> > Amano.
> > David
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Erik Olson" <erik@thekrib.com>
> > To: <aga-sc@thekrib.com>
> > Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 11:26 PM
> > Subject: PAM "adoption"
> >
> >
> > > OK.. so based on some e-mail I have received from Dave today (and
talking
> > > with Kathy at dinner), I think that perhaps we should distance the AGA
as
> > > much as possible from PAM now. Dave is about to do something (sending
an
> > > average of 6 copies of back issues as fulfillment to his remaining 300
> > > subscribers) that will not only piss off his entire membership, but
could
> > > possibly bring on a lawsuit against him, and he seems unconcerned
about
> > > it.
> > >
> > > He is awaiting an "answer" from the AGA on whether it wants to adopt
PAM.
> > > Discussion is officially open on this issue now. If someone would
like to
> > > make a motion, by all means, go for it.
> > >
> > > To recap the issue from my notes from Saturday:
> > >
> > > * Dave has offered to give PAM to Karen, or the AGA.
> > >
> > > * PAM assets include 330 subscribers, its 15 advertisers, a backlog
of
> > > articles, and a stockpile of back issues
> > >
> > > * PAM liabilities include 1900 promised copies to the 330
subscribers,
> > > and loans to Karen, Neil, and Dave himself.
> > >
> > > * There are four jobs in Dave's world:
> > > "Cowboy" - get articles and photographs
> > > "Copy/Tech Editing" - "you can pay someone to do this"
> > > "Design" - Layout and such
> > > "Production" - Getting to the printers, mailing, etc
> > >
> > > * Dave would like to continue as "cowboy" but not as anything else.
> > >
> > > * Dave wants to continue to pay authors. He currently pays them
double
> > > what the magazines pay, but does not pay anyone else for producing
> > PAM.
> > > (Actually, I think he pays Karen, Neil and himself for tech ed and
> > > production, but as loans.)
> > >
> > > * Costs: Printing $3500/issue for 1500 copies. $200 gets you an
> > > additional 1000 copies.
> > > Authors paid $3500/issue
> > > Copy + tech edit $400
> > > Production $20x80
> > > Mailing 40 cents/issue (80 cents foreign)
> > > Office Supplies $200
> > > Ads offset approx $4000 of this?
> > >
> > > * Any of the above may be total BS, subject to change at any moment.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Erik Olson
> > > erik at thekrib dot com
> > >
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