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Re: AGA Forums (fwd) 2nd Reply
when erik first read me the email, I was very concerned with the EGO
statements. When someone talks about his credibility adding to things and
has only kept planted tanks for a year, I worry. First, this is someone
who could be full of himself and make outlandish "comments" and might be
representing the AGA. I would feel much better with it being someone the
AGA has known for a few years.
That being said, sometimes new people are the ones most likely to help,
and a great way to recruit new management/special project people...etc.
Of course after the NOVAK thing, liability is a major worry. The last
thing I would want to deal with is the AGA board getting sued and then
having them come after individual board members. I know NEC carries
liability insurance for this stuff, for the local clubs. Not sure what
ACA does. If there is a way our incorporation protects us, and they can
only go after the AGA tresurery I would feel better about it. That is my
concern. I don't want Novak to win, but in a way he has affected the way
we all think. Most recently Erik's mother, who does tons of volunteer
work for the local zoo, was telling us a VOLUNTEER who was terminated
(after much attempt at corrective behavior) is now sueing the zoo. This
society is crazy.
There...I think that about covers most of my concerns.
Kathy
On Sun, 7 Dec 2003, David Lass wrote:
> The red flag starts really waving in the wind when he asks for "tentative
> approval" and then the membership list. I dion't know this guy from a
> doorknob, but thisa gives me very bad vibes. Besides, there are plant forums
> out there, and the main thing that we need to concentrate our efforts on
> here as the "leadership" of AGA is assuring our solvency and increasing the
> number of members. My two cents worth.
> David
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Erik Olson" <erik@thekrib.com>
> To: <aga-sc@thekrib.com>
> Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 10:59 AM
> Subject: Re: AGA Forums (fwd) 2nd Reply
>
>
> > I didn't feel that he understood my question about
> > accountability/responsibility -- again, read my question at the bottom
> > first, THEN his reply.
> >
> > In fact, to me THIS reply raised more red flags than the first one. See
> > what you think...
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 22:15:10 -0500
> > From: JamesHoftiezer@charter.net
> > To: Erik Olson <erik@thekrib.com>
> > Cc: "Hoftiezer, James" <JHoftiezer@advanceamerica.net>
> > Subject: Re: AGA Forums
> >
> > I can understand that. If this is successful, it will only add to those
> > existing duties with new memberships and attention.
> >
> > My concerns are similar in nature. That is why I have offered to pay for
> > the first year of hosting, to set it up myself and only go live once I
> have
> > the support of the AGA. I think my reputation and history will speak for
> > itself in this manner. I'll research, prototype and build a turnkey
> > product.
> >
> > If you believe the AGA will actively support the forum, then I will go
> > onto the next stage and begin constructing the forum and the team. If
> there
> > is hesitation, please let me know so that we can address any concerns up
> > front. If possible a tentative approval would be appreciated so that I
> know
> > the level of interest and support. It will add credability to any
> > recruitment and avoid any misundertandings.
> >
> > Also, is it possible to get a membership & email list, so that I can
> > concentrate on recruiting existing AGA members? Short of asking everyone,
> I
> > am not away of any directory.
> >
> > The first thing would be tentative approval from the board. Then I'll
> > purchase the webspace and create the portal. I'll set up the basic topics
> > and ask the AGA to review the layout and content. At the same time I will
> > recruit moderators and authors from the AGA. With the team established,
> > we'll review the portal page, the forum layout and topic list, assign the
> > moderators and get final AGA approval. Only then would it go live. If
> for
> > any reason the AGA does not approve the final concept or I am unable to
> > recruit a full team, we can drop the project in the prototype stage.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Erik Olson" <erik@thekrib.com>
> > To: <JamesHoftiezer@charter.net>
> > Cc: "Hoftiezer, James" <JHoftiezer@advanceamerica.net>
> > Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 3:20 PM
> > Subject: Re: AGA Forums
> >
> >
> > > On Sat, 6 Dec 2003 JamesHoftiezer@charter.net wrote:
> > >
> > > > E) My intention is that the forum/board become the property of the
> AGA.
> > In
> > > > no way do I want to assert ownership of the board or allow it to be
> seen
> > as
> > > > my property. I feel that would be counterprodctive to the stated
> > purpose.
> > > > If for some reason I was unable to continue a moderator or AGA member
> > within
> > > > the forums would have to be promoted by the AGA board.
> > > > I am volunteering my time to establish and run the forum indefinately
> at
> > the
> > > > discretion of the AGA board. I am very flexible in that regard. I
> feel
> > > > that this should be done, but do not feel that it has to be me
> > personally.
> > > > In fact there may be people already in the AGA who would be better
> > equipped
> > > > to do this or whom the AGA may prefer to see as senior admin, even if
> > only
> > > > for appearance sake. (i.e. - Ghazanfar Ghori may be better at setting
> > up
> > > > the tech of a forum and you as president may be officially listed as
> > senior
> > > > admin. The moderators and members would do the day to day work. Then
> I
> > > > could just be a member :) )
> > >
> > > Understand that our concern is not so much whether it's the AGA or you
> who
> > > "controls" it. As a member, you are as much a part of the AGA as anyone
> > > else. Pretty much every proposal that has been made to the AGA by a
> > > member has been placed in charge of that member to administrate.
> > >
> > > Rather, it's the opposite problem! What seems to be the perennial issue
> > > with volunteers is getting them to stick with their promises. We want a
> > > person/team to have specific *commitment* to this service, and it
> *can't*
> > > really be anyone currently on the board (we've all got way too many jobs
> > > already!). So one of the requirements, just like organizing the
> > > convention, is that you list people who would be on board with the
> > > concept.
> > >
> > > - Erik
> > >
> > > --
> > > Erik Olson
> > > erik at thekrib dot com
> > >
> >
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