Re: [AGA-sc] They sound serious!

["Karen Randall" <krandall@rdrcpa.biz>]

My thoughts exactly.

Karen

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Erik Olson" <erik@thekrib.com>
To: "Aquatic Gardeners Association Board" <aga-sc@thekrib.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 7:00 PM
Subject: Re: [AGA-sc] They sound serious!


> Still, though, this is way better than GWAPA sounded at this stage.
> 
> On Tue, 28 Dec 2004, S. Hieber wrote:
> 
> > Serious counts. But I still don't see who is in charge --
> > who will actually keep things moving in the right
> > directions, prevent runaways, etc.
> >
> > Hmmm-- a 2-hour drive/ride and 2-hours back? That's a long
> > day just to see a fish store.
> >
> > It almost sounds like they expect AGA to propose to them
> > that they do the convention. Perhaps TB didn't understand
> > when I said I would send the proposal requiremetns and
> > guidelines doc after the BoD approved a revised version.
> >
> >
> > sh
> > --- Karen Randall <krandall@rdrcpa.biz> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Dave Gomberg" <gomberg1@wcf.com>
> >> To: "Karen Randall" <krandall@rdrcpa.biz>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 3:51 PM
> >> Subject: Log of mail reduced from 3749 lines to 500....
> >>
> >>
> >>> As usual, Tom did 70% of the lines and 10% of the info:
> >>>
> >>> From: Thomas  Barr <tcbiii@earthlink.net>
> >>> Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 03:02:28 -0800 (PST)
> >>> Subject: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I was talking and thinking at the AGA convention about
> >> having the
> >>> meeting this year here in SF or close by.  Who is
> >> serious about
> >>> this?  Just me.......okay......  I have a few things to
> >> say to make
> >>> this happen here but it'll be worth it and we can have
> >> a strong turn
> >>> out here for sure.
> >>>
> >>> We need to find a meeting place in about a month for
> >> Nov's
> >>> meeting(Veteran's day weekend) with a decent reasonable
> >> rate but a
> >>> nice place to be.
> >>>
> >>> This will take work, but it will be worth it.  It will
> >> also help our
> >>> club.
> >>>
> >>> What say you?  A new Year's resolution?  We have 2-3
> >> speakers here
> >>> already.  Amano like the west Coast.  Claus does also,
> >> Dave Wilson
> >>> from AUST might be interesting.
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Tom Barr
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> From: Dave Gomberg <gomberg1@wcf.com>
> >>> Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 07:44:34 -0800
> >>> Subject: Re: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Tom, I looked far and wide a couple of years ago and
> >> the best deal is
> >>> Monterey.  I can give a talk sometime about hotel rates
> >> after owning a
> >>> motel in South Lake Tahoe for a year and learning a lot
> >> about the inside
> >> of
> >>> the business.   But we ought to be able to make
> >> something work in Monterey
> >>> or nearby.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> From: "bill_harada" <wkharada@hotmail.com>
> >>> Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 16:29:15 -0000
> >>> Subject: Re: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Is it critical that the actual event location be in a
> >> "high-profile"
> >>> city? Everyone loves to visit SFO, but expense is
> >> always a factor
> >>> there.
> >>>
> >>> Monterey would be great, but travel in for
> >> out-of-towners would be
> >>> an added hassle since it's a 90-minute drive from any
> >> bay-area
> >>> airports. What about areas like San Jose or somewhere
> >> on the
> >>> penninsula?
> >>>
> >>> From: Thomas  Barr <tcbiii@earthlink.net>
> >>> Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 11:27:07 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
> >>> Subject: Re: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Monterey is doable.  I have some friends there.  We
> >> also have the
> >>> best location but it's a far from the central area
> >> where folks have
> >>> tanks, LFS's, airport (very important), as a field or
> >> side trip, it
> >>> would be good though.  Anything near Oakland airport
> >> also, or SJ.
> >>>
> >>> I'm attending a conference there in Jan and can check
> >> out the rates.
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Tom Barr
> >>>
> >>> From: Thomas  Barr <tcbiii@earthlink.net>
> >>> Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 11:35:12 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
> >>> Subject: Re: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005
> >>>
> >>> SJ, Oakland is fine.
> >>>
> >>> The main thing, unless you want everyone to fly here,
> >> then get
> >>> cab/rent a car etc and schedule that, many folks come
> >> in all
> >>> different hours and need an easy commute to the hotel.
> >>>
> >>> I like the area and the MBA a lot.  But the other parts
> >> with transpo
> >>> need to be dealt with.  Room rates run about 90$ a
> >> night or so which
> >>> is about the deal rate we would get down there based on
> >> the Western
> >>> Aqautic Weed management event I'm attending 3 weeks
> >> from now.
> >>>
> >>> I'll see about the transportation issues from SFO from
> >> those folks.
> >>>
> >>> But this is quite doable and the price is right for
> >> most AGA members
> >>> and the BOD for AGA.  If we clear that hurdle, then
> >> this can happen
> >>> for SFBAAPS.  So there is some incentative for you all.
> >>>
> >>> This will help everyone, win win.
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Tom Barr
> >>>
> >>> From: Dave Gomberg <gomberg1@wcf.com>
> >>> Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 11:57:45 -0800
> >>> Subject: Re: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> At 08:29 12/26/2004, bill_harada wrote:
> >>>
> >>> >Monterey would be great, but travel in for
> >> out-of-towners would be
> >>> >an added hassle since it's a 90-minute drive from any
> >> bay-area
> >>> >airports.
> >>>
> >>> Actually, flights into SFO, OAK, SJO and MRY (Monterey)
> >> are all the
> >>> same fare.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> From: Dave Gomberg <gomberg1@wcf.com>
> >>> Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 11:59:46 -0800
> >>> Subject: Re: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> At 11:35 12/26/2004, Thomas  Barr wrote:
> >>> >SJ, Oakland is fine.
> >>> >
> >>> >The main thing, unless you want everyone to fly here,
> >> then get cab/rent
> >> a
> >>> >car etc and schedule that, many folks come in all
> >> different hours and
> >> need
> >>> >an easy commute to the hotel.
> >>>
> >>> I have run a meeting in Pebble Beach (right next to
> >> Monterey) and meeting
> >>> folks at MRY is a piece of cake.   We met every
> >> incoming flight that had
> >>> attendees on it.  There were only about six we had to
> >> meet.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> From: "bill_harada" <wkharada@hotmail.com>
> >>> Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 20:18:07 -0000
> >>> Subject: Re: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Really? I was checking fares on Yahoo and flying into
> >> MRY was at
> >>> least $70 more (up to near $300 more) than flying into
> >> SFO from JFK,
> >>> DFW, IAD, CHI, and SEA.
> >>>
> >>> From: Thomas  Barr <tcbiii@earthlink.net>
> >>> Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 12:31:21 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
> >>> Subject: Re: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Sounds good.
> >>> I'll talk to my big boss about it.
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Tom Barr
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> From: Dave Gomberg <gomberg1@wcf.com>
> >>> Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 12:41:08 -0800
> >>> Subject: Re: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> My understanding was that the fare was the same because
> >> all those airports
> >>> were considered SFO for fare purposes.   It may be that
> >> the airlines that
> >>> have MRY flights cost more?
> >>>
> >>> From: Dave Gomberg <gomberg1@wcf.com>
> >>> Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 12:47:05 -0800
> >>> Subject: Re: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I just checked UAL and it was $318 to SFO from IAD and
> >> $338 to MRY
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> From: Thomas  Barr <tcbiii@earthlink.net>
> >>> Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 12:48:45 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
> >>> Subject: Re: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Well, folks are ot going to do that much outside of the
> >> event unless
> >>> they have plenty of time,come early etc.  So MBA and
> >> the town are
> >>> the sale.  Folks can drive there, rent cars, car/Van
> >> pool etc.
> >>>
> >>> Chattanooga was that way for many folks as well(not
> >> close to main
> >>> airports).  I drove from Nashville(2.5 hours).
> >>>
> >>> We can do the aquarium loop, Albany and Ocean Aquarium,
> >> perhaps some
> >>> south bay stuff, or we can send them to the delta in
> >> Stockton for a
> >>> boat ride to see real weed issues.  There is also some
> >> nice parks
> >>> down HWY 1 south and the Santa CRuz mountains offer a
> >> lot not far
> >>> away.  That will be the field trip, a day eariler.
> >> Friday, MBA etc.
> >>>
> >>> Kayaking in the kelp is also fun and there are enough
> >> activities
> >>> there to keep folks busy outside of the event.
> >>>
> >>> Mark Faulkner is now been promoted to curator so I'll
> >> see what we
> >>> can work out with him, I'm sure a behind the scene tour
> >> can be
> >>> arranged, there is no place like MBA and AGA will druel
> >> about that.
> >>>
> >>> So I will certainly look into this.
> >>>
> >>> Tom Barr
> >>>
> >>> From: "bill_harada" <wkharada@hotmail.com>
> >>> Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 20:50:04 -0000
> >>> Subject: Re: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Oh, I see now. I was just looking at lowest
> >> fare...wasn't comparing
> >>> fares within the same carrier.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> From: Thomas  Barr <tcbiii@earthlink.net>
> >>> Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 12:50:37 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
> >>> Subject: Re: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005
> >>> X-Antivirus-Status: Clean
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Consider the TN event, very similar as far as location
> >> issues.
> >>>
> >>> Not close to main hubs, but close
> >> enough(Atlanta/Nashville).
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Tom Barr
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> From: Thomas  Barr <tcbiii@earthlink.net>
> >>> Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 12:52:48 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
> >>> Subject: Re: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> So are you two interested in really selling this to the
> >> AGA?  The
> >>> group will be invigorated, it'll mean a cool thing to
> >> look forward
> >>> to later this year.  I'll talk to Karen and Eric Olsen,
> >> I already
> >>> did back in Nov and with GWAPA.
> >>>
> >>> Our time has come.
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Tom Barr
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> From: nycsfo@aol.com
> >>> Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 17:38:38 -0500
> >>> Subject: Re: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I all for a AGA convention out this way...and Monterey
> >> sounds like
> >>> the best bet.  We have connections at the Aquarium via
> >> Mark, they
> >>> have the only great white shark in captivity living 100
> >> days plus
> >>> and counting, cannery row and all the shops and
> >> eateries make it
> >>> nice, and we can perhaps do something in the bay as Tom
> >> suggests.
> >>> If Dave says Monterey could be the best venue
> >> concerning hotel
> >>> rates, I'd run with it.
> >>>
> >>> The best thing for me is I can drag the family down
> >> there and they
> >>> will have plenty to do while I attend the "boring plant
> >> meetings".
> >>> ;^)
> >>>
> >>> So...that's one vote for me for Monterey, and my offer
> >> of help for
> >>> the cause.
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>>
> >>> Michael Laflamme
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> From: Thomas  Barr <tcbiii@earthlink.net>
> >>> Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 16:51:42 -0800 (PST)
> >>> Subject: SFBAAPS: AGA 2K5
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I'm heading down that way and can discuss it with the
> >> local folks.
> >>> I sent Eric, Karen, Scott etc a floater prosal, Karen
> >> and the group
> >>> seem pretty interested.
> >>>
> >>> I think this can and will happen if we have some folks
> >> willing to
> >>> help out some here.  I'll deal with Hotel/meeting
> >> stuff.  I'll
> >>> speak, I'll help with getting the speakers, folks
> >> scheduled, etc.
> >>>
> >>> We can talk group to group with past host, DWF, GWAPA
> >> etc for what
> >>> is required from sfbaaps.  We have many skills within
> >> the group
> >>> so......I think it's diverse and large enough to do
> >> this and will
> >>> help us all.
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Tom Barr
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> From: fdeznaluis@aol.com
> >>> Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 20:01:18 EST
> >>> Subject: Re: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Yes, Please have it there I can get all the vendors I
> >> had back in 2002 and
> >>> probably more and not only that I can assure you many
> >> people will be
> >> willing to
> >>> help to make this happen! If my help is any good please
> >> count me in!
> >>> Merry Christmas
> >>> Luis Navarro
> >>> Houston TX
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> From: Dave Gomberg <gomberg1@wcf.com>
> >>> Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 17:51:56 -0800
> >>> Subject: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I have been thinking about this some, and think if we
> >> are to do this we
> >>> need a committed team.  That means folks who will take
> >> on and do the job,
> >>> even if it takes five hours a week for the next year.
> >> And putting in a
> >> 20
> >>> hour week the week before the meeting (and attending
> >> the meeting of
> >> course).
> >>>
> >>> Here is the team I have in mind:
> >>>
> >>> EmCee         Erik?  Dave?   Tom?   Steve Dixon?
> >>> Program       TBA
> >>> Field Trips   Tom Barr
> >>> Hotel         Dave Gomberg
> >>> MBA liaison   Mark?
> >>> Registration  TBA  Naomi?  Andrew?  Troi?
> >>> Spkr liaison  Karen Randall
> >>> Local shops   Michael Laflamme
> >>> Finance       Dave Gomberg
> >>> Restaurants   TBA  Alan Kaufmann????
> >>>
> >>> I did not ask Tom for more because I want him to have
> >> the time available
> >> to
> >>> do a killer job on the field trip(s) as we know only
> >> Tom can.  I would
> >> hope
> >>> he could arrange 2-3 trips if the time permits.   And I
> >> would like him to
> >>> give a great talk about them very early in the meeting
> >> while attendees
> >>> could still be added.
> >>>
> >>> The registration job is to manage the creation of the
> >> registration packets
> >>> and make sure they are right and ready when needed.  It
> >> also involves
> >>> editing and printing the programs.
> >>>
> >>> Alan, the restaurant job means to check out local
> >> restaurants and prepare
> >> a
> >>> restaurant list for attendees.
> >>>
> >>> If your name does not appear above but you want to work
> >> on the convention,
> >>> please email me off list.
> >>>
> >>> Is everyone on board for this?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> From: nycsfo@aol.com
> >>> Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 22:14:54 -0500
> >>> Subject: Re: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Count me in Dave.  I think you selected a proper job
> >> for me.
> >>>
> >>> Michael Laflamme
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> From: Thomas  Barr <tcbiii@earthlink.net>
> >>> Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 20:25:59 -0800 (PST)
> >>> Subject: Re: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> We could sure use any help and experiences Luis, thanks
> >> for the kind
> >> offer.
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Tom Barr
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> From: Thomas  Barr <tcbiii@earthlink.net>
> >>> Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 20:34:36 -0800 (PST)
> >>> Subject: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Committed? Alan lets me out once a week:)
> >>>
> >>> "I have been thinking about this some,"
> >>>
> >>> Most of us have been:-)
> >>>
> >>> " and think if we are to do this we
> >>> need a committed team.  That means folks who will take
> >> on and do the job,
> >>> even if it takes five hours a week for the next year.
> >> And putting in a
> >> 20
> >>> hour week the week before the meeting (and attending
> >> the meeting of
> >> course)."
> >>>
> >>> Yep.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> "EmCee         Erik?  Dave?   Tom?   Steve Dixon?"
> >>>
> >>> No problem if needed.
> >>>
> >>> "Field Trips   Tom Barr"
> >>>
> >>> Already done.
> >>>
> >>> "I did not ask Tom for more because I want him to have
> >> the time available
> >> to
> >>> do a killer job on the field trip(s) as we know only
> >> Tom can.  I would
> >> hope
> >>> he could arrange 2-3 trips if the time permits.   And I
> >> would like him to
> >>> give a great talk about them very early in the meeting
> >> while attendees
> >>> could still be added."
> >>>
> >>> Sure.  I'd like to add folks as they wish to hop on
> >> board as well.
> >>> Mark also knows the place near by very well.
> >>>
> >>> "The registration job is to manage the creation of the
> >> registration
> >> packets
> >>> and make sure they are right and ready when needed.  It
> >> also involves
> >>> editing and printing the programs."
> >>>
> >>> This will be work.
> >>>
> >>> "Alan, the restaurant job means to check out local
> >> restaurants and prepare
> >> a
> >>> restaurant list for attendees."
> >>>
> >>> There's a ton of food places in Monterey to eat at.
> >>> Ideally a semi short walk to MBA for the location.
> >>>
> >>> Scott is going to send the formal proposal after the
> >> BOD approves it from
> >>> the AGA.
> >>> I will forward this to everyone for viewing.
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Tom Barr
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> From: Jim Lockhart <jlockhar@cisco.com>
> >>> Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 11:36:52 -0800
> >>> Subject: Re: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Count me in too, I'm sure there is a ton of stuff we
> >> will need volunteers
> >>> for. Monterey would be great, I'm heading down there
> >> for a couple of days
> >>> right now.
> >>>
> >>> I think Jeff and I could do a good job on the plant
> >> auction.
> >>>
> >>> It puts places like Albany about 2+ hours drive away,
> >> but I guess we can
> >>> work that out as many of us will have cars down there.
> >>>
> >>> How many people on average attend the AGA conference ?
> >>>
> >>> Very exciting, lets arrange a get-together in Jan to
> >> discuss this in more
> >>> detail. OH Volunteers ?
> >>>
> >>> Jim.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> From: Dave Gomberg <gomberg1@wcf.com>
> >>> Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 16:50:44 -0800
> >>> Subject: Re: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Thank you Jim.   I have added you and Jeff to the list.
> >>   We will need
> >>> commitment letters at some point, but not yet.   AGA
> >> wants to make sure
> >> the
> >>> next convention is staffed by folks who will follow
> >> thru.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> From: "DAN HAYES" <uncommonsong@msn.com>
> >>> Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 20:51:07 -0800
> >>> Subject: Re: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Hey Dave. Let me know what I can do to help. I have
> >> some extra time right
> >>> now, so let me know.
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>>
> >>> Dan
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> From: Dave Gomberg <gomberg1@wcf.com>
> >>> Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 21:37:40 -0800
> >>> Subject: Re: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Gee, Dan, there is not a lot to do till we have a
> >> request to do something.
> >>>
> >>> Although SFBAAPS should likely be the bidder on this
> >> proposal, it is
> >> really
> >>> the major players (volunteers) and their written
> >> commitment to carry thru
> >>> on their promises that will win or lose the deal.  So
> >> we should all be
> >>> thinking if we are sure enough to put our promise to
> >> work into writing.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> From: "DAN HAYES" <uncommonsong@msn.com>
> >>> Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 21:42:17 -0800
> >>> Subject: Re: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Got it. If there's anything I can do, let me know.
> >>>
> >>> Dan
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 07:25:11 -0800 (PST)
> >>> From: Greg Fiske <gfiske2@sbcglobal.net>
> >>> Subject: Re: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Dave, I'd like to help in any way I can.&nbsp; I am
> >> moving back to
> >>> southern California in June, but will still attend the
> >>> convention and hopefully can help in some way during
> >> the show.
> >>> Thanks, Greg
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
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> >> dot com
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> >> Plants" book SPECIAL
> >>>
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