Re: [AGA-sc] [Fwd: RE: The Aquatic Gardener ad submission deadline]

["Karen Randall" <krandall@rdrcpa.biz>]

He said his vendors had already decided on the itinerary for the year, and 
we had contacted him too late.  (though he was apologetic about it) 
Sometimes, I think Ray makes up excuses just to justify going or not going 
to an event he does/doesn'twant to attend.

Karen

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cheryl Rogers" <cheryl@wilstream.com>
To: "Aquatic Gardeners Association Board" <aga-sc@thekrib.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2006 4:04 PM
Subject: Re: [AGA-sc] [Fwd: RE: The Aquatic Gardener ad submission deadline]


> So what happened between NEC and CAOAC?
>
> Cheryl
>
> Karen Randall wrote:
>> When I talked to Ray at CAOAC, it sounded like he'd already decided not 
>> to
>> come.  It wasn't an "official" conversation, but that was the impression 
>> I
>> got.
>>
>> Karen
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Erik Olson" <erik@thekrib.com>
>> To: "Aquatic Gardeners Association Board" <aga-sc@thekrib.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2006 11:54 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AGA-sc] [Fwd: RE: The Aquatic Gardener ad submission 
>> deadline]
>>
>>
>>> On Sat, 3 Jun 2006, Larry Lampert wrote:
>>>
>>>> OK, if we do this then what do we charge Seachem who
>>>> is sending a speaker? $649 for what will amount to
>>>> just the hospitality naming rights? They are already a
>>>> full page TAG advertiser. I am not sure this works but
>>>> I will go with it if you guys think we should.
>>> We'll give Seachem a table for free, right?  Seachem has been very happy
>>> to donate money -- they sponsored 80% of the contest last year for
>>> instance.
>>>
>>>> Also make it we need to make it CRYSTAL CLEAR to Gary
>>>> that he gets two registrations free but NO FT OR
>>>> BANQUET. I have had this problem with him before.
>>> Good to know this.
>>>
>>>
>>>> I don't think we can afford Ray. We can't shell out
>>>> the cash just to hopefully recoup it in auction
>>>> proceeds. Rays stuff is mainly for the fish folks and
>>>> since most people will be flying they won't be bidding
>>>> on the big stuff.
>>> I was really thinking this myself.  Now I just have to find a way to
>>> explain that if/when he asks.
>>>
>>>> To be honest at this point, I really am not concerned
>>>> about the vendor room. It is a "nice to have" but not
>>>> a prerequisite for a good convention experience. If
>>>> the vendor room does not pay for itself then it is IMO
>>>> just another thing for us to worry about.
>>> Good insight.  However, we still need to contact folks about auction
>>> donations.
>>>
>>>> Seachem - I will call Greg next week to confirm him or
>>>> his research director and get their bios.
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>>> A question; Should these discussions be on MCM or
>>>> should they be Board only (SC)?
>>> I don't see much point about putting them on MCM, unfortunately.
>>> Probably would just annoy Skidmore that we're planning behind SFBAAPS'
>>> back, and would make Phil feel guilty about bailing.  I can't think of
>>> anyone else on that list who would be able to contribute.  But I'd like 
>>> to
>>> eventually move it back to conheads, but I frankly don't feel 
>>> comfortable
>>> talking openly about stuff like Ray there.
>>>
>>>   - Erik
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Larry
>>>> --- Erik Olson <erik@thekrib.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> OK, that sounds great!  Let's figure out the
>>>>> specifics, get our story
>>>>> straight, and then we can reply to folks like Gary
>>>>> and Ray, and it doesn't
>>>>> matter how we divvy the jobs up.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll just throw some numbers out:
>>>>>
>>>>> * Vendor table $250, includes 2 convention regs (but
>>>>> not banquet or FT)
>>>>>
>>>>> * Free vendor table for full-page TAG advertisers
>>>>> (incl the regs, but
>>>>>    again, no FT)
>>>>>
>>>>> * Contest category sponsors $50 per category, $75
>>>>> for best of show
>>>>>    Will be announced at convention, and promoted on
>>>>> website just like this
>>>>>    year
>>>>>
>>>>> What do you think sirs?
>>>>>
>>>>>    - Erik
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 3 Jun 2006, Karen Randall wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd kind of rather offer them a FREE table at the
>>>>> convention for a year of
>>>>>> advertising.  Our vendor area will look more
>>>>> attractive to OTHER vendors if
>>>>>> it is seen as a busyling place where they are
>>>>> likely to get their products
>>>>>> noticed.  Our TAG advertisers are already our
>>>>> biggest suporters.
>>>>>> Karen
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Karen
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Erik Olson" <erik@thekrib.com>
>>>>>> To: "Aquatic Gardeners Association Board"
>>>>> <aga-sc@thekrib.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 11:35 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AGA-sc] [Fwd: RE: The Aquatic
>>>>> Gardener ad submission deadline]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, 2 Jun 2006, Cheryl Rogers wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Didn't Erica somebody volunteer for this?
>>>>>>> Hm, yes, seem to recall that.  I put her in
>>>>> contact with you for the list,
>>>>>>> perhaps? :)  Now I'll have to go back and check
>>>>> my old e-mail.
>>>>>>>> However, I have been feeling the need to
>>>>> formally contact vendors again
>>>>>>>> regarding TAG advertising. Do we coordinate or
>>>>> hit them twice? While it
>>>>>>>> would be cheaper to coordinate, I think we
>>>>> should hit them twice from
>>>>>>>> different "departments." Otherwise we give them
>>>>> the option of thinking
>>>>>>>> it's an either/or situation when actually they
>>>>> can support both TAG and
>>>>>>>> the convention/contest.
>>>>>>> I dunno about that... I find it's probably easier
>>>>> to explain both
>>>>>>> situations at the same time.  I mean, we had the
>>>>> same issue with the
>>>>>>> contest/convention.  Didn't want to hit them
>>>>> twice there either because
>>>>>>> some places had limited PR budget and felt we
>>>>> were double-dipping.
>>>>>>> So I would think a prospective contact would be
>>>>> asking for any of the
>>>>>>> following:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   1. TAG ad revenue (the most helpful to us, also
>>>>> most costly)
>>>>>>>   2. Monetary sponsorship (contest or convention)
>>>>>>>  What are the categories?  How much?  How much
>>>>> for a comp reg?
>>>>>>>   3. Vendor tables at convention
>>>>>>>  How much?  Includes comp reg?
>>>>>>>   4. Auction donations?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hey! How about we work them a deal that if they
>>>>> buy a table at the
>>>>>>>> convention they get a 10% discount on a yearly
>>>>> TAG ad?
>>>>>>> Seems OK by me if we don't end up losing money...
>>>>>  remember though that
>>>>>>> theoretically for that $120 table, half the money
>>>>> goes to SFBAAPS (ho ho
>>>>>>> ho), so it's not really a wash for giving them
>>>>> 10% off.
>>>>>>>   - Erik
>>>>>>>
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