Gary I think these "piacoa" apistos are Pertensis group fish. From pictures I sent to Mike Wise he thought they resembled A. sp. "Rio Maniopure" probably related to A. " 4 stripe". I caught them near Piacoa, Venezuela near the Orinoco Delta. I do not think thse fish have been described before. Tom ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!