Hello all, it is certainly becoming a happy new year for me: the altispinosa I added have formed a pair and are actively courting. The female is the "lonely female" that I've had now for about 2 years, the male is one of the new fish. About 5 days ago, I did massive water change and removed (finally) those wacky Columbian Red & Blue tetras as well as the three cory cats that were inhabiting the tank. The trio of altispinosa now share the tank with a small school of lemon tetras (Hyphessobrycon sp.). The pair formed the day after this last rearrangement. The female is noticeably plump with a fully extended ovipositor and her color is high--gold ventrally, lots of new red in her dorsal, and her pelvic fins have taken on a deep opaque blue-black tint edged with red. Whoever it was that told the salesperson that these guys aren't colorful just didn't know what they were talking about; I'll admit, they're not cacatuoides, but they're still lovely. Both members of the pair have been actively cleaning a rock and doing a lot of head shimmying and some body beating. I've seen these behaviors before in my severus pairs, but the ordering of activity is different and there are different behaviors interspersed with the familiar ones. I'm so excited I was nearly late for work today because I watched too long! My questions regarding this wonderful new turn of events are as follows: to this point, the now-lonely third altispinosa hasn't been terribly harrassed. I will keep a close eye on it to ensure it doesn't get killed once there are eggs/fry present, but does its presence as a "trigger" for the pair (a conspecific aggression target) outweigh the risk of bodily harm? Since this is a new pair and not yet well bonded, should I leave the third fish in the tank to encourage the pair to bond? Or are altispinosa of the aggressive sort who will tear that third fish to shreds? Additionally, I think this third fish may well be a second female. Is this standard 20 gal large enough to house a second pair comfortably; conversely, do altispinosa exhibit harem spawning tendencies that might preclude the need to purchase a fourth fish? Or is it simply better to remove the unpaired fish now to prevent egg/fry predation? This unpaired third fish has also been attempting to "court" the male (hence the presumption it is female) and I am curious to see what might happen if she is left in the mix, but I'm afraid the tank is just not big enough to encompass the range of behavior this might elicit. Suggestions, as always, are very welcome. Thanks Sarah LeGates __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!