Hi Mike you really should try to get a bigger tank for them to grow out in or seperate the group in half into two different tanks. If you can't do that make sure you do large water changes quite often. The fish will grow to proper size even in these crowded conditions if water changes are done properly. John ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!