Hi Mike and all, I'd like to see the dwarf cichlid corner of the hobby learn from the killie clubs. There, precise info on a fish increases its value greatly. The AKA has largely stuck to its guns, and there's a healthy respect for ecology in the group. People want to earn. Sure, there are collectors, but generally, the tone of respect for knowledge is good. The ASG can play a role like that. I'm not in the ACA, because I found it to be a commercially driven group. That side seemed out of control. In our local club, there are 2 annual auctions open to the public. To my mind, they've harmed the club. I don't participate, because they've overridden the spirit of sharing/passing along fish that predominated when I joined. Now, everyone holds back his best stuff for the 'super auction', where very good money is made, but you don't see much in the regular club auctions. It has really hurt the club. As dwarfs do become the fad, as I think they will, we should avoid getting "ACAed" or commercialized. I'm glad we don't buy and sell on this list. Let's just keep the info flowing. Gary ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!