Rotstrich has been in the hobby for a long time, and I assume the German and Czech commercial breeders have been trying to select for colourful specimens, in much the same way as with veijita. I know rotsrich comes from Colombia and Rio Cataniapo comes from just across the border in Venezuala, but have there been recent documented collections of these fish? The German rotstrich I've seen recently seem to be losing the vivid red/blue colour contrasts they had 2 or 3 years ago, but I wonder how close the superb rotstrich I used to have were to the wild form. I had fish just like the Linke photo in about 95-96. I find a lot of the macmasteri group fish to be hard to get now, except via Germany, as interest has shifted to the exciting new species of the Rio Negro/Xingu etc. I know Mike Wise mentioned having guttata, but I haven't heard much about recent imports of macmasteri/hoignei/hongsloi /veijita or new macmasteri group fish. Could any of the readers of German enlighten me? Gary ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!