Mike, I am definately on board for a Mike Wise authored "Apistogramma Species Identification Made Easy". I am a relative beginner in the Apisto hobby (2 years), and my beginners luck has taken me as far as it will. I'm sure like any new Apisto enthusiast, I ran right down and bought a L&S "Dwarf American Chiclids" book to wow at all the pretty little fish I might someday hope to see, let alone ever try to keep. I now find the pictures empty. The data with it frustrating that tells me what the similar species are, but doesn't resolve the fine points of why this is a "Regani" versus "Borelli morph X". I started my searching into the Apisto Realm at the David Soars web site. He had a nice start that began to help me identify what I was looking at, but when I finally found the Krib and subsequently this list, I find myself hanging on nearly every word that Mike throws out there when it comes to IDing apisto species. I love to hear (read) the stories of other apisto keepers, and how they finally got this species to spawn, or that one to stop eating eggs. This however would be as easy as taking excerps from the archive in The Krib, and not really needed for the "gist" of what I think we all would like to see in a book. It would be a nice revised addition though! The bottom line is, I would pay as much (in advance!) for a paperbacked, accurate, step by step, apisto ID book right now as I did for any of the other books I currently own. For that I would expect to see a basic map, maybe a pullout, or even a laminated insert if you wanted to get fancy. A basic drawing of the "Group" with each sub-specie having a revision and perhaps a comparison line drawing specifying the trait/marking differences, side by side with the main drawing of the group. None of this requires photos, or photo quality printing. (Cheap) Gee, you could have 2 inserts for us Apistophiles to hank on our fish room walls. One a map of the different areas collected from, and another with the basic line drawings in a group format. We all know you're busy Mike, we are too! But it's the busy guys like you that can do something like this in the shortest, most efficient amount of time. If for no other reason than your sheer expertise, it will roll across the pages. 100 pages max, shoot, maybe even 50! 2 good quality inserts, and voila' a bunch of copies sold...at least to us here!... No- pressure of course! ;-) Happy writing! Phil Eaton Dallas, TX Starting to enjoy my "uglies" as much as any of the others, and still wondering exactly what they are! ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Mike Jacobs" <mjacobs2@tampabay.rr.com> <---snip---> 1) ..Not so serious............ What is important to a beginner apisto freak like myself is identification...............ALL of the present readily availiable books show us pictures to id the fish with. You are training us to "...not use color as a determination" of species......that's difficult............to me anyway. A real full explaination of the system and up to date examples is something I personally would really enjoy. All of my photos are free to you........for what little help that would be. I know we expect that writing a book is simply sitting down for 2-3 days and it is done, we are all asking something that each of us would find impossible..........but the demand just might overwhelm you with the right approach. Identification is key to us, and I think everyone.......... <---snip---> ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!