Re: Kyle's question about his rams Cacatoides and Rams require different water conditions. Rams prefer the water to be soft, and the temp at minimum 82, but even higher for spawning. Their ideal pH requirements are also different, Rams prefering a lower pH than Cacatoides. Rams originate in shallow hot ponds and seem to like temperatures similar to Discus. Cacatoides come from white water in the higher Amazon region. Totally different habitats. Now that's if you want them to breed. But if you change the water conditions in the tank they share with your Cacatoides, you will screw up the fry sex ratio of the Cacatoides offspring. (Supposing you've got them at 78 and pH close to 7 with medium water hardness). Also, don't expect fish that are being harassed to look their best. You may consider the ram being chased out of cacatoides territory as being nothing significant. The female ram may disagree with you heartily if she could talk. You may want to try a tank divider for a while and see if she'll be happier that way, or put her in a different tank. Gabriella Kadar ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!