Thanks for the information Bill, are other forms of pelvicachromis species just as easy to care for and breed (no i'm not a beginner)as regular kribs? i've seem some of the pelvicachromis species that look 'nicer' from my point of view than others in different tanks in the same store.. of course i would like to pick out the ones that 'look' better to me.. they 'seem' fairly easy to sex.. btu then again i'm not at the fish store anymore and can't remember that well Thanks Raymond Wong Please Visit My Aquarium Page : (still working on parts of it) http://welcome.to/myapisto ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!