Bill Phillips wrote: > > Hello from Australia and hoping that someone can shed some light on a wild > apisto pair that I was fortunate enough to obtain as a contaminant. > > A shipment of apisto gibbiceps came into the wholesaler and my LFS found > some Apisto agassizii (about 3 pairs) in the shipment. The problem then > arose as to what strain the fish is - comparing with the AQualog catalogue > suggests the strain is "santarem". > > My question (crossing my fingers) is whether gibbiceps is localised in a > particular area which may shed some light on the possible agissizii strain. > Probably just my luck that gibbiceps is widespread in its distribution. > > Many thanks for any help > > Bill Phillips Hi Bill, I'll go out on a limb and say you will never know what strain you have. Without precise location data, you can only guess, and Aqualog is exhaustive but incomplete. No book could ever be complete on the varieties of these highly variable species. Unless the collector 'tags' it, I'd say we're all best to adopt the killie convention of saying it's a Commercial Import, and leaving it at that. I have some Aphyosemion biteniatum killies imported from Nigeria in May. I know from fairly solid experience with the fish that it is the Lagos type, although there is some colour intensity that makes it different from the available Lagos 1992 import. What am I on about? As I breed it, I will distribute it as A. biteniatum CIN 00/5 (Commercial import Nigeria 2000 May). That way, other breeders who wish to not take the risk of crossing populations will be able to ID the strain. Those who don't care will drop the tag. Some see these tags as an affectation, and they haven't caught on anywhere but with killies, but there are killie strains that have been tracked since the late seventies. What's it worth? Hard to say, but the fish are still in the hobby, and a lot of crossed populations have turned out sterile mules and disappeared. Gibbiceps occurs pretty far from Santarem, more to the northwest of Manaus. That's not to say the form up the Rio Negro doesn't look like Santarem, but it isn't from there. When I first joined this list I had an outstanding wild cacatuoides tagged as Rio Ucayali. It was quickly pointed out to me that Rio Ucayali isn't a location, it's a universe. I'd like to know how the colours turn out when you do grow the beasts out though. The crossover with gibbiceps is, I think, an edge of the range for agas. -Gary ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!