Hello All I've been kind of quiet lately but fear not, here's Johnny!!! I figured this was a good topic for me to pipe up on. As many of you know ( we won't mention any names Gabriella, lol) that i have had a tendency to "steal" a clutch of eggs and artificially hatch them away from the parents. I do admit to doing this very little lately, but i did it tonight on a group of Steindachneri that are notorious egg / fry eaters. My point being here, sorry for rambling, is that i believe that if you're having belly sliders showing up it's more likely due to poor water quality in your hatching / rearing tanks. I can't ever remember having a belly slider in an apisto. And remember i "steal" alot of clutches of eggs. When i go to steal a flower pot with eggs on it, I use fresh dechlorinated / semi aged tap water. I dont use water from the spawning tank. Maybe this is the reason I dont have problems with belly sliders. The only belly sliders i have seen in my place are with the occasional killie that didnt develope properly. Also i don't use any type of anti fungal agent in my water, i've really decided not to ever use Methylene blue anymore, first off i cant stand blue tanks/ containers/ fingers!! and secondly i've read too many things about sterility problems with offspring if too high a concentration of Methy blue was used. I used acriflavine for a number of years with my killies but never on my apistos, then i graduated to Maroxy, which didnt discolor my containers or fingers. I also had better luck using this on my killie eggs. I have found that if i leave the apisto eggs on the flower pot for 24 hours then steal them and put them into a container/tank with fresh/ semi aged tap water, i have little problems with fungus anyways. I also break all the rules and use no air in these tanks until the fry are up and bopping around and ready to start eating after absorbing their yolk sacs. Of course I dont want anyone to think this is the correct way to artificially raise eggs away from parents, only that this in MY method and it works for ME. Sorry for such a long posting, guess i was in a rambling mood, John ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!