Acutally think I know exactly what this fish is it looks like a borelli and is sold as one all the time I have some pictures on my site and Mike Wise ID'ed it for it he said Apistogramma caetei 'bluehead' http://members.home.net/rwmw/ahongsloi.htm here's what he said in an e=mail to me It is your unknown fish. This is a fish I haven't personally seen except in pictures. I am pretty sure that it is a fish that the Germans call Blaukopf (Bluehead) in Mayland & Bork's book or Steel Blue in Römer's Atlas, and the Japanese (Matuzaka, et. al.) call it New Blue. This is a domestically developed fish, originally coming from SE Asia. Mayland & Bork believe it is part of the caetei-complex, while Römer believes it is a member of the resticulosa-complex. The fish shows more features of resticulosa-complex fish, but the head profile and tail pattern are more like caetei. Matuzaka believes that it is a cross between species of the two complexes. Who is correct? I don't know. The fish shows none of the irregular scale pattern in the caudal peduncle area that most cross-bred apistos show, but the highly skewed sex ratio points at something not being quite natural. Mayland & Bork mention that the species was established in Europe only by breeding domestic males with wild females. Where they got the wild females and how they knew they were the same species is beyond me. I bet that they used a caetei-complex female (who knows what species). This is bad husbandry if you want to keep a species pure. It's OK if you are fixing a color pattern, like in certain livebearers, but such fish should never be listed under a scientific name. If you like the fish and want to breed it, I'd suggest finding a female A. caetei and see what develops. Who knows, if crossed with a "Primavera" color form of A. caetei you might get males with both a lot of blue and red on the face! Thank You Raymond Wong ------------------------------ Please Visit My Aquarium Page : (adding more pix everyday) (Pictures of my fish,plants,tanks) http://welcome.to/myapisto ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!