Hello Max and all!, thanks for the tips.. anymore? send them my way!! acutally if i rememeber correctly.. (it's been 2 weeks since my last borelli spawn and they're going to spawn again in around 1 ~ 2 weeks..) and i've noticed the borelli fry to be especially small... or is it because other fish i've managed to get fry from the parents took care of them for a N amount of time before I got a chance to notice them in my tank? that's y they're larger than my borelli fry? (cause i usually see the yellow female breeding colors for a week or so? but my kribs always look 'red' in her belly) I remember my A. sao gabriel's fry being quite large too compared to my borelli's... let's see here my cautiodes are still small so they're not breeding yet...oh yeah I've got a reverse trio of my A. macmasteri... can't get them to spawn... there's no info on them on www.thekrib.com..?! or did i miss it? can anyone give me hints on spawning them.. acutally mainly water conditions.. pH. temp. hardness.. I'll try to take some pictures of them.. they look really great.. lots of red in their fins and their body.. kinda like in the Aqualog book p47 top right corner (203650-3 male) and (203650-3 female) thanks Raymond Wong ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!