On the subject of raising ram fry, if the parents won't raise them, try leaving them with the parents until they start to eat them. Then take the fry out and put them in a small aquarium with the parents tank water. The longer the fry are with their parents, the better. Joe Hildreth 15 Cedar Street Potsdam,NY 13676 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!