It could be that Miss Cac2. is hiding in a cave with some eggs, or fry by now. Check your amonia and nitrites. If they are high, then maybe she is dead, but if not, she's probably protecting a spawn. ===== J. Miller Edmonton, AB, Can. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!