Lots of folks on this list have tried oak leaves and really like it. It is probably closer to the natural ground cover in the Amazon during flood season. Make sure you use the ones that have dried completely, not the pretty yellow and red ones. Bob Dixon ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!