> He claimed that carp and oscars have the intelligence of dogs, and > that oscars in particular are emotional. In my opinion a tin of sardines has more intelligence than your average dog. On to fish emotions, what has to be considered is if there is the evolutionary drive for emotion to develop in a fish. Unfortunately I don't think this can be proven. Fish such as Apistos and other Cichlids which have complex social lives and live in a fluctuating environment have an evolutionary need to react to that environment in an appropriate way. So they do have a greater capacity to 'learn', in effect. The predator avoidance strategies used have to be more varied than, let's say, a Clupeid fish (Herrings etc.) The very fact that they show brood care means they have to have a greater 'awareness', but the fact that female Apistos will guard Daphnia swarms etc. shows that they are just reacting to an instinctive drive. A highly developed and modifiable instinctive drive admittedly but we shouldn't confuse it with emotion. I am being careful with my usage of these terms because I am not a Behaviourologist, even though I find animal behaviour fascinating. It is difficult not to be anthropomorphic about our fish, because we ourselves are pre-programmed to react to certain percepted situations in a certain way, and to be honest as long as the fish are cared for to the best of our abilities it doesn't really matter if it increases our appreciation and awareness of the natural world. Pete Liptrot Bolton Museum Aquarium Le Mans Crescent, Bolton BL1 1SE 01204 332200 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!