Of the 3 named, I have found that the A. cruzi is the easiest to breed in harder water AND cooler temperature. Trifasciata has always been more difficult for me. Mamore's are in between the two for me. Just remember, "Easy for you; difficult for me!". You just never know sometimes. Z-Man ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://www.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!