Rik, It appears that you probably do have A. sp. Papagei/Parrot (=Algodon I). It's easy to separate Papagei (Algodon I) from Putumayo (Algodon II) by looking at the caudal spot. Putumayo has a single slightly oval caudal spot. Papagei has 2 caudal spots joined to make a caudal patch similar to that of A. commbrae. I agree, the Putumayo in L&S is very pale. Males in the proper lighting usually show some deep burgundy color on the lateral band and abdominal stripes. They have very little color on the face, however. BTW I hate the names "Algodon I & II". As you can see, there's too much confusion about these names. I'd prefer we use Papagei/Parrot instead of Algodon. Since I'm not sure if Algodon II is the same as Putumayo, I'm stuck with the name even though Algodon II is supposed to come from the Ampiyacu, not the Algodon. Mike Wise Rik Vandiver wrote: > the one in the L&S book looks nothing like the fish that I'm looking for . it > looks like an algodon I with LOT'S more red in the body. I missed getting one > from apisto.com by the hair on my chin :-( > > Mike & Diane Wise wrote: > > > I haven't seen Algodon II listed for sale for over a year. The list on > > apistogramma.com that I found was just that, a list. It wasn't being offered > > for sale. Algodon II is similar, if not the same, to one of the commercial > > forms of called "A. cruzi" (=A. sp. Putumayo) (see Linke & Staeck p. 127; > > Mayland & Bork p. 56 & 57 top; and Aqualog SAC II p. 29 & 30 SO3457-3). You > > might want to look for these. I am assuming that you aren't talking about > > Algodon I which is the same as Papagei/Parrot. > > > > Mike Wise > > > > John Wubbolt wrote: > > > > > I dont like to plug businesses here but i do know that > > > www.apistogramma.com has them listed > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. > > > For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, > > > email apisto-request@listbox.com. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. > > For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, > > email apisto-request@listbox.com. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. > For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, > email apisto-request@listbox.com. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com.