The two species are fairly easy to tell apart. Rotpunkt has a longer snout (the eye is farther back on the head, giving the face a longer, more pointed appearance). It has a zipper like lateral band and a smaller, irregularly shaped, caudal spot. On eunotus forms the last 2 vertical bars will split into two below the zigzag lateral band, and have a more regular oval shaped caudal spot. A. eunotus is one of those "problem" fish. It is is reported from all over the Peruvian Amazon. The problem is that they are so plain that very few are collected. Because of this we don't really know if everything called "eunotus" really is one-and-the-same species or a series of geographically separate species. Photos we have show a lot of variation in shape, finnage, dark markings, and coloration. Check Linke & Staeck or Mayland & Bork for differences. Adult male A. cacatuoides have transparent, bluish, or yellowish ventral fins. Only females & juveniles (both males & females) have black on the ventrals. Males usually lose the black pigment by the time they get 1½" / 4 cm long. Your 125 should be large enough to handle all of your fish provided that there are about 2 hiding places for each fish. A. nijsseni can be kept in pairs and bred in 15 gallon / 60 cm tanks, at least I do. This species usually forms pairs. Males do not like other males near their territory. Extra males usually don't survive long in small tanks, but extra females can if they find suitable hiding places from the dominant female. Mike Wise Scott wrote: > Ok is there a defining characteristic to distinguish > between rotpunkt and eunotus? My fish is either one or > the other. I am leaning towards eunotus. I did get the > LFS to order more of them. It was by mistake :-) They > ordered cactuoides and got the fish that was sent as > Sp. Sanser last time, I just find that hilarious. They > also got "nijnensis" or some other awful spelling of > nijsseni (sp?). They are awfully beaten up, but some > females are starting to get yellow. At 3.95 I plan to > buy most of them. I got the eunotus for 3.95 or 4.95 > did not even pay attention. Actually I got the females > I picked up tonight for 2.00 ;-) I love that shop. I > now have three females of the eunotus and one big > colorful male in my 125 he still harasses the females > (he killed the last ones). I also have 3 cacatuoides > (one big triple red male, and one female and a third > that is a triple red with no black in the red that may > be male or may be female). Do black pelvic fins > signify a female in cacatuoides? Can I toss the > nijsseni in with the other 5 in a 125 or will there be > a turf war? What size tank for a group of nijsseni? > > Thanks in advance > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. > For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, > email apisto-request@listbox.com. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com.