Mike, I was just looking at some pictures at the Krib. Do you think the "ortmanni" that I have could be Nannacara anomala? They look quite similar and are very shy, tough to even get a good look at them for an ID, one that I can see regularly looks like a smaragd but it also looks like an N. anomala. Greg ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com.