Yvan, I agree with David. It sounds like your fish are sick. If they are wild caught, again like David said, they probably have a parasitic infection. Also, depending on the holding facilities where you got them, they could have a bacterial infection - poor water quality is often a cause of this. Until we can figure out what is the problem, I would suggest keeping up the water changes, and perhaps even adding an airstone to keep the O2 levels up. I pray that they'll make it. ===== J. Miller Edmonton, AB, Can. Trade aquatic plants on The Plant Trading Board http://www.aimoo.com/forum/freeboard.cfm?id=312188 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com.