RE: A.jururensis

["Yvan Alleau" <yalleau@OCE.ORST.EDU>]

hi david and all!
the juruensis are effectively wild ones. They display nice color like in the
big picture of the big guy p59 (i think) in the aqualog.
fins are great and have no marks at all. The body is nicely shaped with no
symptoms. The eyes are clear and shiny, the respirationnormal (ie not fast.
To me they are not sick at all. When i cleaned the tank 2 days ago i got to
take out some obvious dark looking poops so i' m sure they eat, but they
hide to do so.
The tanks has 2 clay pots (one in each extremity), contains a piece of wood
covered with java moss and a few floating plants (ceratopteris). also my
light isn't good so floating plant do not make it very well.
I think your suggestion david is good: i should completely cover the tank
with flaoting plants. Riccia is a good one. Does someone has some they could
give away?
Two pairs are in that tank and although small (10 gal) they don't fight at
all.
One female is in spawning color all the time and guards black worms.
I agree with Ade view that she spawned and probably lost the eggs or
wringlers. Now she's protecting those worms as if they were her babies.
Exept since she guards the worms, the fish were not visible. Always hidding.
No swimming around, no fighting for territory or showing of.
I guess they are just very shy. I'll add plants and rocks to the tanks to
have them feel safer.

Thanks for all your good advise, information, and point of view.
I'll keep fighting until they feel confi enough to reward my efforts with
newly swimming little you know what!

take care

 Yvan Alleau
712 N.W Kings Blvd
Corvallis, OR 97330
College of Oceanic and Atmospheric Sciences
Oregon State University
office (Burt 222) # 737-3649, to be used wisely!
yalleau@oce.orst.edu

"When you're far from everything, you're getting closer to the essential"


-----Original Message-----
From: owner-apisto@admin.listbox.com
[mailto:owner-apisto@admin.listbox.com]On Behalf Of David Sanchez
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 1:46 AM
To: apisto@listbox.com
Subject: RE: A.jururensis


Hello again Yvan. Seems like your a true fish breeder!
always optomistic. I like that! Hey one solution that
seems to work very well for me with shy Apistos is
floating plants. Whenever I have a thick layer of
floating plants ie: water sprite, duck weed, riccia
etc... It seems to do a very good job of making our
little fish feel much more secure. Its kind of like
fishing. When you go fishing or collecting fish you go
to the weeds thats where you find the fish. For m e i
think as a fish when i look at a tank. For an Apisto
near the bottom of the food chain cover is essential
to their survival thus floating plants really make
them feel at home. I have a 150 gallon show tank in my
living room with A.candidi a notoriously shy fish yet
you can see them strolling around the tank thanks to
my abundance of riccia. When I breed pistos I always
stress the importance of cover. Something I feel is
overlooked at times. One last thing I have never used
Dither or target fish. I dont think they are a bad
thing I just never had to use them because of my use
of cover. But with fish what works for me may not work
for you. I like to soak in everything and then just
see what works best for me. Oh well just my
experiences good luck and keep up your tenacity!
R%ight now im working with some pesky Diapterons  so
im just kinda of hopeing myself.

Dave


--- Yvan Alleau <yalleau@OCE.ORST.EDU> wrote:
> Hi Ade,
> right now i'm feeding them with:
> - blood worms (ones every other week)
> - black worms
> - adult frozen brine shrimps
> - home made food
> - euphausia pacifica (marine zooplankton) freshly
> capture and frozen (a good
> side of being an oceanographer!)
> - from time to time BBS
> and nothing happens!
> they are not showing any sign of eating or doing
> anything but being scared.
> no swiming around, no checking the tanks out...no
> nothing.
> They are freaking shy! never saw that before.
> i'll try some dither fish, that might help.
> any other suggestion?
>
>  Yvan Alleau
> 712 N.W Kings Blvd
> Corvallis, OR 97330
> College of Oceanic and Atmospheric Sciences
> Oregon State University
> office (Burt 222) # 737-3649, to be used wisely!
> yalleau@oce.orst.edu
>
> "When you're far from everything, you're getting
> closer to the essential"
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ade Lau [mailto:adelau@uwyo.edu]
> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 10:38 AM
> To: Yvan Alleau
> Subject: RE: A.jururensis
>
>
> Well Yvan,
> 	I am not allergic (crossing my finger) to
> bloodworms. That's why I asked
> if you have white worms. Try frozen brineshrimp or
> something they love.
> Hope it will work for you. I don't have paramecies
> in my tanks.
>
> Ade
>
> At 09:51 AM 8/16/01 -0700, you wrote:
> >ok Ade, i'll try all that! my pH isn't that low
> right now (6). i'll have it
> >go down somhow! do you use peat?
> >also i'm not too lucky with blood worms:
> >1) i'm strongly allergic to them
> >2) if one or two stay uneaten in the tank, in the
> following day the tank is
> >completely crowded by paramecies and not of the
> good kind.
> >do you guys ever had this kind of issues?
> >thanks
> >
> > Yvan Alleau
> >712 N.W Kings Blvd
> >Corvallis, OR 97330
> >College of Oceanic and Atmospheric Sciences
> >Oregon State University
> >office (Burt 222) # 737-3649, to be used wisely!
> >yalleau@oce.orst.edu
> >
> >"When you're far from everything, you're getting
> closer to the essential"
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Ade Lau [mailto:adelau@uwyo.edu]
> >Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 9:40 AM
> >To: yalleau@OCE.ORST.EDU
> >Subject: RE: A.jururensis
> >
> >
> >Hi Yvan,
> >	Do you have a white worm culture? If not, that's
> alright. Try to feed
> >frozen bloodworm for the next week or so.  Put the
> food in front of the
> >tank. They will eventually come out and eat in
> front of you. They will get
> >use to you very soon. Very acidic water are
> required to spawn this guys ~pH
> >5.
> >
> >Ade
> >
> >At 09:12 AM 8/16/01 -0700, you wrote:
> >>hi david,
> >>thanks for yur answer concerning a. juruensis.
> >>I guess the problem is that those 2 pairs are
> really realyy shy and there
> >>ain't a lot of things i can do against it saddly.
> >>but i am as staburned as they are shy so...we'll
> see.
> >>thanks again
> >>
> >> Yvan Alleau
> >>712 N.W Kings Blvd
> >>Corvallis, OR 97330
> >>College of Oceanic and Atmospheric Sciences
> >>Oregon State University
> >>office (Burt 222) # 737-3649, to be used wisely!
> >>yalleau@oce.orst.edu
> >>
> >>"When you're far from everything, you're getting
> closer to the essential"
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
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