Amen Mike! Glad to hear someone speak up about the inbreeding issue. Commercial breeding is given way too much credit for being both people's explanation for problems, as well as their justification for putting them in unnatural conditions. Zack ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com.