I have had great luck using the "Clusters" size of the Golden Pearls offered by www.brineshrimpdirect.com . The ram fry seem accept it readily, and it is small enough to be eaten by the smallest fry. I use this for the first few days, and then switch to bbs. I have noticed no losses using this, and they quickly reach a large enough size to take bbs, for those not already large enough to take bbs from the start. Zack ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com.