Rich Grenfell : do you notice any abdominal swelling? The symptoms you are dexcribing > sound like bloat to me. It is possible there could have been a small amount. What is bloat in the contect of appisto's, I've only heard of in the context of milawi / tanginikans? Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: <rgrenfell@snet.net> To: <apisto@listbox.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 2:32 AM Subject: Re: Dwarf Problems > > > Rich > > > > John McCrone wrote: > > > > > [Chris Jewell] > > > I've recently had problems in the last few months that appear only to be > > > effecting my dwarf cichlids, resulting in the loss of Bolivian rams, Blue > > > rams, Opaline Apistos, Kribs and a few others. > > > It only appears to effect the fish singularly, with one half of a pair > > > being > > > struck down at once, allthough the other can sometimes follow a few days / > > > weeks later. The sysmtoms are the fish become listless, loos colour and > > > generally darken, start to shimmy and stay on the tank bottom. Thsi is > > > followed by heathy breathy, loss of appetite, and death, in about 24-48 > > > hours. > > > > > > [John McCrone] > > > I didn't see any responses to your post. I suspect this is because this is a > > > very puzzling picture. Bolivian rams and Kribs I would consider pretty > > > bullet proof. And if you keep discus successfully, you must have a fair idea > > > of what you are doing. > > > > > > One thought, do the fish that die all come from the same shop? I'm in the UK > > > too and I used to buy at a particular place. Then staff changed and every > > > apisto pair I bought seemed to go black and die after a few days. Not > > > through any obvious disease but simply as if shocked or gill damaged by poor > > > husbandry at the shop. > > > > > > Cheers > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > > from John McCrone > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. > > > For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, > > > email apisto-request@listbox.com. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. > > For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, > > email apisto-request@listbox.com. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. > For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, > email apisto-request@listbox.com. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com.