Re: basic care of Papiliochromis Ramerizi

["Chris Jewell" <chris@jewell68.freeserve.co.uk>]

Appologies

My confusion

I knew bolivian rams were sold under "Papiliochromis", and as the more
common blue ram / butterfly fish is now under Microgeophagus ( or was that
last weeks theory? :op), so I assumed (always a bad move I know).....

Moving briefly on, Micrgeophagus / Papiliochromis (call them what you will)
are indeed different, reaching around 2 1/2" max, and being slightly lest
rohbust. Warm water with very low levels of organics, and low nitrates seem
to be the order of the day, (again soft and acidic)

Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: Joe Anderson <the_submariner@hotmail.com>
To: <apisto@listbox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 6:19 PM
Subject: Re: basic care of Papiliochromis Ramerizi


> Chris, et al,
> Papiliochromis ramerizi are the blue rams sold as "butterfly rams" "rams"
> etc.  Those fish commonly sold as "bolivian rams" or in my experience
"ruby
> red rams" are generally Papiliochromis altispinosa.  These are a "little"
> ;-D larger than the blue (ramerizi) rams and IME slightly different
> behaviorally and in reference to ease of care.
>
>
>
>
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: "Chris Jewell" <chris@jewell68.freeserve.co.uk>
> Reply-To: apisto@listbox.com
> To: <apisto@listbox.com>
> Subject: Re: basic care of Papiliochromis Ramerizi
> Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 08:12:50 +0100
>
> Hi Steve,
>
> I think this fish are commonly sold s Bolivian rams.
>
> They area litle more robust than normal rams, and reach about 3". They can
> be much hardder to pair to, I think the male has extensions on his dorsal
/
> tail fins? (mine does)
>
> Feeding, mine love anything meaty /  wormy.For breeding soft and slightly
> acidic conditions are required, but nothing as extreme as for some
> appisto's.
>
> For other dwarfs, what size tank is it steve?
>
> Hope thats some help
> Chris
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Steve Wilson <ace1493@yahoo.com>
> To: <apisto@admin.listbox.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 1:57 AM
> Subject: basic care of Papiliochromis Ramerizi
>
>
>  > I have had a hard time finding info on these fish. I
>  > have kept africans before, and have a love for all
>  > cichlids.  I do consider my self a begginer in S.
>  > American cichlids, but am hoping to broaden my
>  > horizons on this list.  I was sold a pair of
>  > papiliochromis ramerizi by a very high quality
>  > fishstore that specializes in cichlids in Portland,
>  > OR. I decided on this fish because i was told it was a
>  > good dwarf cichlid to start with.  Does anyone know of
>  > a good detailed resource about these fish.
>  >
>  > I have also had trouble with feeding them flakes, and
>  > am hoping frozen blood worms will work better.  What
>  > are other good foods.
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