Hey, with all these posts with my subject line, only one has, like you know, advice. Thanks Jerry, I will try the bbs today and maybe in a week, a little tank. I have a huge spawn of blue rams on a leaf but no container to try and hatch them in, these guys always eat their eggs, I never even see wigglers. Thanks again, Teresa ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com.