hi all, ok here is another subject! ususally when i have apistos with fry i leave a small light on during the night so that the parent can still take care of the eggs / fry. it has never been a problem until now. parents seem to kind of being awake but not completely...kind of in a torpor. Lately i had some A. borelli with ~ 100-150 young. everything was great until on morning everybody (fry) or almost was dead. It was their 4 days of free swimmers and they were eating very well and were growing darn fast. Ok here is the question: do you think that they have been sooo exhausted that they died? (lack of sleep) What do you guys do when eggs and later fry are present in the tank with the parents. have a good night all. take care Yvan Alleau 712 N.W Kings Blvd Corvallis, OR 97330 College of Oceanic and Atmospheric Sciences Oregon State University office (Burt 222) # 737-3649, to be used wisely! PLEASE NOTE NEW E-MAIL ADDRESS: yalleau@coas.oregonstate.edu "When you're far from everything, you're getting closer to the essential" ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com.