Sure Will Dave, Now if only I could figure out how to roll back time... I'm getting the fish from Zack whom I know you know and he's a great guy for fish advice and almost anything else you might need. I've been dealing with Zack and Zman for advice for the whole time on the list and yes I've even got that recorded message of yours in the back of my mind. "It's all about the DOCS".< G> By the way how do you process your peat. I've heard several suggestions. I know Zman just throws it in some RO water and just lets it soak for a long time so it's there when he need it. I think he filters it through is wife's stockings or something. Mike wise uses some kind of setup with a plastic barrel and UGF. I've heard people talking about boiling but, I've also heard you loose something by doing that. Thanks for info JerryB I guess I can't thank God for my spawns anymore huh? Well, at least not in public. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the Apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com.