Ok, I just did a check with my meters. The panduro are in a pH of 6.24, TDS 105ppm, temp. 76F. By the way, these guys should be making babies for you real soon. I was looking in the tank and there are three females guarding, one of which already has wigglers. Man, you feed 'em enough blackworms and keep the water clean and they just can't help themselves. I don't think they've been in that tank for more than a week. The filamentosa that yours will be coming from are in a pH of 6.5, TDS of 75ppm, temp. 78F. For spawning them you'll want to bring the TDS and hardness way down. That'll help with the fertilization/hatch rate and get them in the mood. I've got a harem I just set up a couple days ago in their own tank and they look like they'll spawn soon. I've dropped the pH down to about 5 at the advice of some others, but I'm not sure how critical this will be in comparison to the TDS and stuff. I've got that down to around 25ppm in the breeding tank. Well, I'll talk to you later, got more fish to feed. Zack ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. apisto-digest@listbox.com also available. Web archives at http://lists.thekrib.com/apisto