Ok , once again Michael Jacobs.... As Mr. Farrell ( my HS English Teacher ) so often reminded us... you never end a sentence with a preposition..... No mike, not a proposition... <Where does you water start at?> Proper English would have been, "Where does you water start at...sir.!!" Notice i didn't correct your poor typing either... you instead of your... John ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. apisto-digest@listbox.com also available. Web archives at http://lists.thekrib.com/apisto