Dave, Well said. To add to this, the type A. eunotus hasn't ever been in the hobby! We don't even know what a live one looks like! Mike Wise David Soares wrote: > You can't identify these fish based on transient characteristics like > dorsal trailers Randy that can be so much a trait of an individual fish you > need more solid markers like caudal spots and numbers of spots and location > of spots amongst other things > Soft Water Dwarf Cichlids > Uwe Romer & David Soares > 14697 S. Bluegrass Ln. > Sisters OR, 97759 > Phone/541-549-9350 > apistodave@bendcable.com > www.apistogrammaidiots.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Randy Carey" <carey@spacestar.net> > To: <apisto@listbox.com> > Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 9:05 PM > Subject: Re: Apistogramma moae > > > Just because a bag says it is X does not mean it really is. I bought a > bag > > labeled "moae," and it was labeled such with good intentions, I know. But > > as the male grew up and as I photographed it, I compared it's > > distinguishing features, and I found that it really was eunotus. For > > instance, A. eunotus has a noticeably longer dorsal trailer than > > moae. Mine developed the longer trailer -- drat! > > > > It wasn't the first time that what I thought I bought turned out to be > > different. I feel we should verify what we buy once they grow up. > > > > --Randy > > > > > > At 08:38 PM 5/20/2002, you wrote: > > >I can only go by what the bags at the auction said. "Apistogramma moae - > > >RARE!" > > > > > >Lisa > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. > > For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, > > email apisto-request@listbox.com. apisto-digest@listbox.com also > available. > > Web archives at http://lists.thekrib.com/apisto > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. > For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, > email apisto-request@listbox.com. apisto-digest@listbox.com also available. > Web archives at http://lists.thekrib.com/apisto ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. apisto-digest@listboxFrom owner-apisto-outgoing@admin.listbox.com Tue May 21 14:26:51 2002 Return-Path: <owner-apisto-outgoing@admin.listbox.com> Received: from admin.listbox.com (admin.listbox.com [208.210.125.36]) by pulcher.thekrib.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g4LLQn609202; Tue, 21 May 2002 14:26:49 -0700 Received: by admin.listbox.com (Postfix) id 82F352664F; Tue, 21 May 2002 17:26:42 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: apisto-outgoing@admin.listbox.com Received: by admin.listbox.com (Postfix, from userid 502) id D1BA42664D; Tue, 21 May 2002 17:26:41 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: apisto@listbox.com Received: from drone.ecrii.net (drone.ecrii.net [216.146.128.8]) by admin.listbox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7681C2664F for <apisto@listbox.com>; Tue, 21 May 2002 17:26:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fgn.net (216-146-131-98.bwn.net [216.146.131.98] (may be forged)) by drone.ecrii.net (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g4LLHFf38034 for <apisto@listbox.com>; Tue, 21 May 2002 15:17:15 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3CEAB1FD.900D2B51@fgn.net> Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 14:45:50 -0600 From: Mike & Diane Wise <apistowise@fgn.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: apisto@listbox.com Subject: Re: Apistogramma moae References: <MABBIHNFNBNAAELIACDICEJBCPAA.green56@pioneerplanet.infi.net> <002201c200c4$95e30b70$c5bae4d8@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-apisto@admin.listbox.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: apisto@listbox.com Yes, I would say the same thing. Mike Wise David Soares wrote: > Different complexes can be kept together there is no danger with trifas and > pandurinis there habitats are as far apart as new york and california from > all the apistos I've kept (thousands) I've never had any cross and I'll bet > Mike would say the same > Soft Water Dwarf Cichlids > Uwe Romer & David Soares > 14697 S. Bluegrass Ln. > Sisters OR, 97759 > Phone/541-549-9350 > apistodave@bendcable.com > www.apistogrammaidiots.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "green" <green56@pioneerplanet.infi.net> > To: <apisto@listbox.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 4:40 AM > Subject: RE: Apistogramma moae > > > This is not the first time I've read of different A. species being kept > > together. Are our little friends "smarter than the average bear" and not > > prone to hybridizing? (I know of the three species, the > > three-rivers-becoming-one Apistos that do not interbreed... The ones with > > the vertical, horizontal, and combo dorsal spots... David, I need your > help > > here with what I'm talking about!) I've taken great pains to keep my A. > > pandurinis and A. trifaciatas apart... Is this not necessary with > Apistos? > > Or just some of the species? On the whole, am I better off to be safer > than > > sorrier and continue as I have? > > > > green > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-apisto@admin.listbox.com > > [mailto:owner-apisto@admin.listbox.com]On Behalf Of Zack Wilson > > Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 10:10 PM > > To: apisto@listbox.com > > Subject: Re: Apistogramma moae > > > > > > I set them up in a 15 with a few other Apisto spare parts. > > > > Zack > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. > > For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, > > email apisto-request@listbox.com. apisto-digest@listbox.com also > available. > > Web archives at http://lists.thekrib.com/apisto > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. > > For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, > > email apisto-request@listbox.com. apisto-digest@listbox.com also > available. > > Web archives at http://lists.thekrib.com/apisto > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. > For instructions on how to subscribe or un.com also available. 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