Hey Max, you either missed something or your joking. Well, we've been through a whole mess of stuff on that issue. Of eunotus/moae to the point where. UWE actually viewed my PICS as bad as they were and decided it was a eunotus form. Yes, they also have a lot of orange in the caudal and blue on gill covers and some blue on body. And mine too also came from wild caught. Only difference is mine were born 11-23-01 they are actually spawning themselves. As far as them being moae well from what I've been told between Mike Wise and Uwe they aren't. Maybe if you get a PIC we could compare if they are the same. Thanks JerryB ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the Apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. apisto-digest@listbox.com also available. Web archives at http://lists.thekrib.com/apisto