Hi Erick, They sound like notophthalmus to me. I do believe most come out of Manaus. I recall years ago (before dwarf pikes became popular) they would often come in as a very few1 to 2 inch contaminants in large batches of cardinal tetras. At the time, I had access to a few wholesalers. On a few occasions, I was able to pick out a few very small specimans if I carefully went thru all the tanks with cardinal tetras in it. They all turned out to be notophthalmus. Also, see the included link.for distinguishing features. .............................................................Ron http://www.geocities.com/NapaValley/5491/notopage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erick@Vielka@nospam.org" <vfjones@gte.net> To: "Apisto@Listbox. Com" <apisto@listbox.com>; "Sacsg" <sacsg@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 11:22 AM Subject: Crencichla > Is anyone able to share some information regarding Crencichla Regani or > Crencichla Notophthalmus? I recently purchased 4 at my lfs as Cr. Regani. > while talking to the owner about collecting locals his comment was "they > came out of Manuas so they could even be notophalmus." at the time they were > little better than an inch total length. two with definite dorsal spots two > without. I assume I have 2 boys and 2 girls. very cool fish the dominate > female has doubled in size and her belly is starting to turn orange. the > occelli on her dorsal is a single spot with red surrounding. she has a > definite black bar nose to caudal tip. with ~10 vertical bars on her dorsal > surface no barring on her stomach. I cannot comment much on the others > because they are not seen except momentarily at feeding time. Thank you. > > > Erick Jones > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. > For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, > email apisto-request@listbox.com. apisto-digest@listbox.com also available. > Web archives at http://lists.thekrib.com/apisto > Trading at http://blox.dropship.org/mailman/listinfo/apisto_trader ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. apisto-digest@listbox.com also available. Web archives at http://lists.thekrib.com/apisto Trading at http://blox.dropship.org/mailman/listinfo/apisto_trader