> From: Mike & Diane Wise > Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 1:08 > > I don't know if you can equate plants & animals... A valid point, and I'm not equating plants with animals. Plants have such concerns due to lack of mobility, making it a necessity. > Animals are much more mobile & will not need the delay > of 1 sex over the other to disseminate their genetic material... In this regard, I would think that such a delay would be an _advantage_ to the "harem" breeders. Again - not a necessity, just an "edge". But even where the species is monogamous and population densities are greater, it would help ensure the males' choices of diverse genetic stockpiles. > Römer has not only studied the physical effect, but also the > ecological effect of temperatures on sex determination in apistos - > both in the laboratory & the wild... Ah, but isn't an animal species' success fairly dependent upon how it _copes_ with an environmental impact? For instance, > He found that 26ºC/79ºF was the optimum temperature for > most apistos. Higher & lower temperatures retarded growth > & maturity. He also found that primary predators on apistos > tended to prefer higher & lower temperatures, so for some > reason 26ºC has few predators... if 26º is optimum for the Apisto and offers an advantage over natural predators, then one would expect ratios to be fairly even in distribution at that range. One would also expect that the normal drive to procreation would not be overly affected. As you get outside of this range, to either side, then what of other considerations? Sperm production and viability may be one thing to think on. Most mammals, for instance, carry their testicles in a sac that allows temperature maintenance at a level that conflicts with the creature's own internal body temperature - which actually runs too high for the sperm's sake. Perhaps having a ratio heavy in males at higher temperatures ensures that there are viable males around to affect procreation, while cooler temperatures require a higher number of females to ensure the acceptance of overly ripe males? My thoughts tend toward Nature's tendency to choose the path of least resistance and a penchant for energy efficiency - wasted efforts and energy don't ensure success. There must be _some_ reason all of this seems geared toward the male of the population. > Römer has a good review of his study in his book "Cichlid Atlas" (sections > 4.2.2.1 through 6). It can explain his ideas better than I. OK - you got me there. I *still* haven't broken down and gotten hold of a copy. Certainly a situation I need to rectify... -Y- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. apisto-digest@listbox.com also available. Web archives at http://lists.thekrib.com/apisto Trading at http://blox.dropship.org/mailman/listinfo/apisto_trader