Matt 74 is just fine....... no problems with that at all.... my panduro and cacatuiodes were in that temp most of the winter and spawned like crazy for me...along with my Hoignei and aggies... my Incas are in 78 temp now...... but i think you should keep the rams warmer....they really do better in 80 F water or warmer... John ----------------------------------------------------------------------- -- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. apisto-digest@listbox.com also available. Web archives at http://lists.thekrib.com/apisto Trading at http://blox.dropship.org/mailman/listinfo/apisto_trader