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Re: systematics

Thanks Mike,
That's some light on the subject.
So it seems I have never seen a true A. viejita. Do the red
dots on the cheeks suggest sth? The male has them, the
female didn't have them (lost her some time ago), their
offsprings have them regardless of sex. I also have 2 other
females, of which one has those red spots.
All the fish are from different sources, perhaps Czech
All have red tops and bottoms of the tail, and (aside of one
female) reddish ventral fins.
The male has slightly truncated tail, the offspring males
don't present that, but they are less than 5 months old.
They have more red on the tail.

Now, that's a puzzle.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike & Diane Wise" <apistowise@bewellnet.com>
To: <apisto@v2.listbox.com>
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 7:27 PM
Subject: Re: systematics

> With regards to the A. macmasteri vs. A. viejita question,
it remains
> somewhat the same. Domestic strains of both species are
most likely
> crosses of the 2 closely related species. Wild macmasteri
rarely have a
> lyre tail or red top to the dorsal fin. The real A.
viejita has entered
> the hobby in the past year and most experieced
apistophiles can easily
> see differences in it, A. macmasteri, & what has been
called "A.
> viejita" in the past. Then there are closely related forms
> like viejita Color Form II that are as different from A.
viejita as
> viejita is from A. macmasteri. Right now many people
consider viejita
> (CF I) & CF II the same species, but if they are, then
they should be
> considered the same as A. macmasteri. More collecting is
needed to
> understand this problem. Until then I will consider them
all different
> from each other.

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