Thanks for the replies. I looked at these fish some more last night after posting and found a few other details that might help describe them: The "male" has a light blue spade-like patch that starts at the Caudal Peduncle and extends into the Caudal fin. The female has this as well, but hers is black. The male has fairly bright yellow-ish coloration in the unpaired fins, and has a yellow coloration in the pectoral fins, which end in red. The female's pectorals are black, with red tips. Looking at them again, they are definitely a pair. Here I was trying to figure out how to get A. pandurini when you all were talking about them a few months ago, and meanwhile, perhaps they have come to me! Anybody have breeding success with them? How about pictures on the net? I am surprised at how well they are doing in my tap water, which is typically about 160 ppm, and a pH in the mid-7's. They are really quite vigorous - much better than Nijsseni which I have kept before, even those that I kept in "appropriate" water conditions. Tom >---------- >From: mengerin@cs.utexas.edu[SMTP:mengerin@cs.utexas.edu] >Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 1996 1:53 PM >To: Thomas Mroz >Subject: Re: Apisto. Nijsseni? > >> the nice, black ventral fins. The other half had the clear, yellow fins >> you would expect from a male. Further, the "males" central spots were >> smaller, and round, whereas the "females" spots were more like blotches, > >That sounds like the potential subspecies, Apistogramma pandurini >("Blue Sky"). >There is some debate as to whether or not it is a njisseni or a not, >but other >than some patch work and a little difference in coloring they look >exactly >alike. > > Cheers, > Matthew >