Welcome, Stuart! I think you will find sensible folk on this list ready to discuss Apistos. Sometimes the list gets a little bit quite, but I think that's better than being to noisy. :-) >>having bred my first fish at the age of 10, a red belly Stickleback.<< This spurred some memories. I haven't seen a Stickleback since I was a kid. Does anyone still keep these? Or are they out of favor now that tropicals are so much easier to keep (compared to 30 years ago)? Bill Vannerson McHenry, IL USA william_vannerson@ama-assn.org