I have nearly always had poor luck keeping the fry with the female. In attempting this with at least six different species, I have consistently observed egg eating in all cases. This is true for some species after allowing them 3-5 consecutive opportunities to "do well". Alternately, by pulling the eggs, I can ensure 90+% hatchrates, and propagation of the species. I have had too many cases where I loose a male or female of a difficult to obtain species right after spawning to allow the female the opportunity to hatch fry (or eat the eggs) herself. In these cases, I never get that second change. I would like to see results of a side-by-side study that conclusively shows the link between parent quality and fry history. I tend to think we anthropomorphise these things too much, and that much of the female's caretaking is instinctual. I think the problem with egg eaters is related more to the environment than their own upbringing. So, perhaps if I gave my pairs 40 gallon tanks, or if I diligently removed males, I might have better luck, regardless of where the fish came from. Of course, I could certainly be wrong..... I DO think that fry tend to grow much faster in the presence of the female in many cichlid species - apistos included. I don't know why this would be, but I have certainly experienced it firsthand. It would be my first reason to allow apisto females to keep their spawns - if only I could be certain they would not snack on them. Tom