Hi Folks,, Just thought I'd drop a note to let everyone know how the Cacautoides are doing. Bill Vannerson says,, >Sounds like fun. Congratulations. Soon you'll be selling those fry to pay >off your Harley. ;-) Thanks for the congrats,, I'm kinda feeling a bit like a proud parent!! Yup, the way these little guys are breeding, I'll have that $32,000 Harley paid off in no time GRIN!! Tim Ellis asks about the steps I go through to condition the water,, Hi Tim. I really haven't done very much to my water, I don't have a RO unit. I use Prime to break the chloramine. I use a Python on all my tanks, and I put the Prime in when re-filling the tanks. The water out of my tap is about PH 7, with a hardness about 45 DGH. I have put a bag of peat into each Apisto tank, (I just float it in the tank, tied to something so it won't drift), and with the peat the PH drops to between 6.4 and 6.6. The hardness drops to about 35 DGH. And that's all I have been doing. I water change all my tanks 30% twice a week, and that about it. I guess the Cichlids like the water conditions, cause they are spawning up a storm. I have only had them for about 3 weeks now, and they seem very happy. I feed lot's of brine shrimp, OSI flakes, Tetramin Flakes, freeze dried Daphnia, freeze dried krill, freeze dried red grubs, and white worms once a week for a treat. They all eat very well, even their flakes. The first female Cacatuoides, living in the 5 gallon tank with her babies is doing great. The fry went free swimming yesterday morning, and they sure love brine shrimp. Mom leads them around the tank, and is very happy. This morning, she had all her babies in their little flower pot home, and when she saw me, she came out to look at me, then went back into the flower pot, to get the babies up. They all followed her out, and I then fed them their brine shrimp breakfast. I think there are about 20 to 25 fry. They are really amazing to watch, the mother is doing a very good job. It's wonderful to watch the way mom takes care of the little ones. And the babies, seem to watch their mom for directions. One little guy took off on his own yesterday, and she went and picked him up in her mouth and brought him back to the group. He did it a couple of times, and mom brought him back each time. I did the tank shuffle, and moved my angels to another tank. I set up the 15 gallon for Apisto's and planted a whole bunch of live plants in it. I moved the male, (dad of the freeswimmers), and the other female into the 15 gallon and they promptly set up home. I also moved the 2 other Cacatuoides (that my friend gave me) into the 15 gallon also, and the first two started to beat up the second 2. I ended up taking the second two back out, cause the male and female really didn't want them there. 2 days later the pair living in the 15 gallon spawned. The male prances about the tank, attacking bubbles, leaves, protecting his wife and kids. She moved them to a new pot, this morning, and they will probably be free swimming tomorrow. I will leave them in the 15, and eventually I will move the brooding female in with the other male and female. In the process of catching up the fish out of the 20 gallon, to move to the 15, I pretty well had to take all the plants out to catch them. I decided to give the tank a good cleaning, and started to pick up the pots to clean under them. Well,, this was a very bad idea. 2 of the Bitaenia's got kinda upset when I picked up a pot, and I didn't notice at first. I looked into the pot, and saw a whole pile of eggs,, I put the pot back really quickly, and the pair went back to the pot. I guess they were too upset, cause a couple of hours later, the eggs were gone,,, wwaaaaahhhh!! Hopefully they will spawn again, last night the male Bitaenia was doing a funky dance for the female, and they have staked out the same pot. The male Bitaenia got in a big fight with the male Agasizzi, he had gotten too close to their pot. The Agassizzi ended up getting pretty beat up, the side of his face was chewed up, and 2 hours later he croaked. Bummer!! The Bitaenia couple, are very busy to-day. The female in the pot, and the male patroling the perimeter. Now I will have to find more Agassizzi, cause I want to try to spawn them also. I picked up some new cichlids over the past couple of days. I found 6 Paletaenia's at one pet shop. I lost one, jumped out of the tank. They are getting really colourful, I figure I have 2 male and 3 females, and the females are getting more yellow by the hour. Yesterday, I found some really beautiful cichlids. I bought 3 Tucurui's. 1 Male and 2 females. They are much more colorful this morning, and have pin stripes on their bodies. They are beige, with beautiful markings. After 3 weeks with these tiny little cichlids,, I am now a cichlid nut!! I guess I am totally hooked now,,,, next step,,,, furniture starts to go for more tanks,,,,,,,,,,,, An update on vicious angels,, my black super veils have spawned again. I water changed all the tanks on Sunday, and the male was really nasty. He bit me 4 good times, and when I looked at my hand, I had tiny drops of blood!! Yesterday, I had what looked like tiny hickies with little round scabs, (teeth marks),on my hand. This morning I still have the hicky marks, and when I rub across the area, my skin is all rough, kinda like road rash. Tough fishys!! Later,, Vicky and her fishy buddies