At 05:10 PM 5/15/1998 -0700, Erik Olson wrote: >Sorry, gotta disagree with Dave on this one. I have a pentax 100mm macro >(1:4), and it's just about perfect for apistos at its closest setting. Eric, I think it depends on the size of the fish. If you need 1:1 as I did for the first published pictures of Epiplatys annulatus in this country, the fish was only .5" long. That meant 2:1 reproduction ratio. With a 135mm lens, I had 270mm of lens/camera and only 65mm (2+ inches) from the front of the lens to the fish. A 200 would have been much better. Like I said, for big fish a 55 is fine. Depends on fish size. - -- Dave Gomberg mailto:gomberg@wcf.com FormMaestro <http://www.wcf.com>