Interesting to see so many diverse opinions on this subject, like Robert Plant, "I think I'll ramble on..." A few of you good folk have made the case for selective line breeding and its innocuous effects in such pet shop staples as guppies, platies, etc. Coming from someone who for better or worse has spent a good amount of time employed in the wholesale fish racket- I can say unequivocally, the fancy, highly selected aquarium strains suffer from the highest mortality rates of all other freshwater ornamental fishes under wholesale conditions. In fact, the only fancy angelfish strains that can survive to breeding age are those that have been produced by certain domestic breeders who infuse their stock with wild blood. Want to make a living breeding and selling fish with a wide open market?- breed diverse lineages of angelfish, Another point to make on the subject of inbreeding- certain taxa have adapted to a natural condition of severe population bottlenecks and associated inbreeding. An example would be the poeciliads (e.g. guppies, platies) which frequently colonize disturbed or seasonal habitats, sometimes limiting the gene pool of the founding population to one gravid female. These fish have adapted to this type of situation and with their rapid maturation and fecund habits can rapidly overcome the immediate effects of inbreeding depression. Apistogramma do not seem similiarly adapted and therefore, warrant some attention to good genetics for sustained, long term maintenance. The issue of conservation: I do not think the purpose of this program is for species preservation but rather for the continuance of an aquarium population for a given species. However, if the advantages of enhanced fertility, fecundity, color, form and general vigor weren't enough- a diverse, well managed, documented gene pool has scientific value as well. >From a biologist's view, Apistogramma are ideal candidates for scientific study. Perhaps some researcher will someday turn to a study of Apistogramma reproductive behavior to reveal some hidden insight into the evolutionary process or perhaps a study of morphological variation and speciation. The SMP's database would provide an ideal starting point. I think anyone with an interest in breeding apistos should volunteer their efforts to this program, even if for only one morph, population or species. I have kept apistos for many years and have had innumerable interesting species fall in and out of my hands. I would love to have some of the descendents from my Taenicara spawns of 1986 or my Venezuelan hongsloi of '89. Where are they now? Just because a species may be common today, that does not guarantee it will be so in the future. Think of the SMP as a sort of bank, a reserve where we might someday need to withdraw when overcollection or the whims of the tropical fish market limit our supply. Cheers - - Steve