Mike Jacobs wrote: > -The true A. pertensis > you guys gave me.....but it is hard to get these fish to slow down to > count rows and I do not trust those books......the bork book is > beautiful but they are not like any Apisto's I buy. Does anyone out > there have some good valid pic's of these fish? I strongly recommend the original description of A. meinkeni by Kullander, 1980: there is a black & white picture of a preserved specimen, but you can count about 6-7 dark bars on caudal fin. It must be noted that the clear interspaces are broader (when closer to caudal fin end) than the dark bars or about same size (when closer to caudal peduncle). Worthy to check the picture. Cheers, Marco. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@majordomo.pobox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@majordomo.pobox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!